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Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8170

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Hello friends,
I recently sent this to the board for their consideration, and it seems like it may have fallen of deaf ears. It's a radical concept, but I think it might be time for this.

Like it or not, please recognize that the Wisconsin Club is in trouble. At the last meeting, Mike Cohen reported that we are having difficulty conducting club business due to the lack of having a quorum of members at the meetings. That gave me something to think about during my helmet time.

Here are a few (GASP!) suggestions.

• Abolish the old constitution (it’s 50 years old!) and look to a fresh start. Write up some guidelines/rules on one piece of paper. If it can't be on one piece of paper, it's too long.

• Can’t conduct business because you can’t get a quorum? The problem here is the constitution! (Hello? Lightbulb moment!)

• Scrap the gavel.

• Streamline the voting / nomination process.

• No more spiffs – for anyone. Is someone in the club more important than anyone else? I don't think so.

• Streamline and simplify the Roberts Rules of Order stuff. Who are we anyway? This is supposed be fun.

So there you go. Simple is better. That's all I got.
Sue Rihn
Wisconsin Club member since 1987
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Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8173

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Agreed! Our meetings are a chore, and are not conducive to the "Unity, Sociability, and the good fellowship of BMW Motorcycle Owners."
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Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8174

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Let me first correct something.
I did not say we had a problem with a quorum (25%) for regular club meetings.
It’s rare that happens (maybe once a year). A meeting should not come to order and do business with only a small number of members present.

The quorum needed to vote on a constitution item is 35%.
This 35% quorum happens 3 or 4 times a year so there are meetings to vote on changes.
(Changes are not meant to happen overnight by a small number of members.)

And second let me say there’s a method of making the HUGE changes some people are recommending. The method is outlined in Article VIII of the present constitution. It’s fairly simple. (I’ve done it).
THIS IS THE ONLY PROPER WAY TO MAKE CHANGES.
Once a proposal for a change is done properly it’s up to the membership to either approve or disapprove it. This is so a small number of members can’t make changes on their own. The majority is in charge. The method is democratic.

Would these changes be approved? Maybe yes, maybe no?

Respectfully,
Mike C
PS: I don’t think the club is in trouble.
PPS: The meetings are fine except for a few (unnamed) disrupters.
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Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8176

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You are reading my mind on changes to voting rules. I have not been able to attend many meetings this year and likley the same next year.
I want to continue my membership but feel that I should not be a member anymore just because I will cause voting problems by not showing up.
I feel a quarum should not be required for constitutional voting that is announced in the newsletter and not at all for other votes.
I'm sure many other no-shows would agree.
If you don't go to meetings then too bad so sad.
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Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8178

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So......
Lets say there's a snowstorm and only 8 or 10 or 12 show up for a meeting.
(Those that live real close.)
Sounds like you guys are saying they alone can make changes to the club?

Interesting!
Last Edit: 2 months, 3 weeks ago by 1mikec.
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Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8179

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Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8180

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Here's the reason for Robert's Rules:

According to Robert’s Rules of Order, parliamentary procedure is based on the consideration of the rights: of the majority, of the minority (especially a large minority greater than one-third), of individual members, of absentee members, of all of these groups taken together.

"The application of parliamentary law is the best method yet devised to enable assemblies of any size, with due regard for every member’s opinion, to arrive at the general will on the maximum number of questions of varying complexity in a minimum amount of time and under all kinds of internal climate ranging from total harmony to hardened or impassioned division of opinion."


www.rulesonline.com/
Are you sure you don't like them?
What specifically in them do you want to omit or change?
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Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8181

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Just adding a little levity.
Harrumph.jpg
Sue Rihn
Wisconsin Club member since 1987

Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8182

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Seriously ... Now that this thread has been seen a few times, here is a question for you to noodle on:

- - Let's just say that a group of Club Members *DOES* propose a completely new constitution, something that can fit on one piece of paper.

WHAT do you think is important to include?
WHAT is no longer needed?

Inquiring Minds Want To Know
Sue Rihn
Wisconsin Club member since 1987

Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8183

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Inquiring minds want to know? Seriously Sue? I believe you started this thread and made the suggestion of changing the constitution. What are your proposals? Maybe a new BMW Club should be started for "like minded individuals". >
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Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8185

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You might be right, my friend. I hope not. I love this club.
Sue Rihn
Wisconsin Club member since 1987

Re: Club Business 2 months, 3 weeks ago #8186

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Seriously...
What are your specific proposals if any?
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